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	<title>Comments on: Are You Ready To Wave Goodbye To The Waterland Parade? Please Take Our Poll</title>
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		<title>By: Dave Markwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Markwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 02:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the discussion about the Parade is about more than a parade. It is a symbol of something that is lacking in our town. Des Moines is going through a tough time, certainly financially, but also is suffering a bit of an identity crisis. There seems to be no clear philosophical vision nor a collective idea about our shared destiny. What do we want to be? What type of town do we want to have? While I agree with &quot;Joe Average&quot; on the idea that fiscal responsibility is vital to any recovery, I also know that counting beans alone will never get us there. The dreamers are the ones with big visions and ideas that inspire and create action and energy. The bean-counters provide very little emotional attraction to making anything happen. Fun events and dreams of a better future inspire forward motion. We need forward motion. We need hopeful, committed citizens to make things happen. Our dreamers are motivated by care and love for this community and WILL shape the future. Hopefully, somewhere in the distance, there will be plenty of beans to keep the counters busy. Until then, I will remain a dreamer and keep working on creating a city that is worthy of all the great people who call it home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the discussion about the Parade is about more than a parade. It is a symbol of something that is lacking in our town. Des Moines is going through a tough time, certainly financially, but also is suffering a bit of an identity crisis. There seems to be no clear philosophical vision nor a collective idea about our shared destiny. What do we want to be? What type of town do we want to have? While I agree with &#8220;Joe Average&#8221; on the idea that fiscal responsibility is vital to any recovery, I also know that counting beans alone will never get us there. The dreamers are the ones with big visions and ideas that inspire and create action and energy. The bean-counters provide very little emotional attraction to making anything happen. Fun events and dreams of a better future inspire forward motion. We need forward motion. We need hopeful, committed citizens to make things happen. Our dreamers are motivated by care and love for this community and WILL shape the future. Hopefully, somewhere in the distance, there will be plenty of beans to keep the counters busy. Until then, I will remain a dreamer and keep working on creating a city that is worthy of all the great people who call it home.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Average</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Average</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 05:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason, I know I have come across on this parade topic as Mr. Bah Humbug and that is because I am passionate about the city&#039;s poor financial condition and a need to focus on real economic revitalization to get it financial health on track.  I know some of my comments have been very zealous and I thank Mr. Snure&#039;s comments  for bringing me into  a better balance.  But there are many sides to the story.   I also know of businesses that have been hurt because of the parade and the road closures.  People who could not get to hair salons,  doctor appointments, the grocery store, and others.   I know of a family that had a wedding planned and their 150 guests were greatly delay.   I&#039;m happy the Dog House sold a couple of hundred extra hot dogs (yes I eat there on occasion) but that is not  going to pay the city bills. 

The people who support this event are great, no fantastic persons.  I just wish in these hard times they would focus their efforts on ideas or events that would not put a strain on city services.  Perhaps a youth circus, a big event at the old Masonic Home, the now mostly vacant Land Mark maybe a combined antique show, flower show, art show and wine tasting?  How about a hot rod show at Highline College on a weekend.  All these things and more could be done with very little expense to the city or draw on city services.   There are many alternatives to a parade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason, I know I have come across on this parade topic as Mr. Bah Humbug and that is because I am passionate about the city&#8217;s poor financial condition and a need to focus on real economic revitalization to get it financial health on track.  I know some of my comments have been very zealous and I thank Mr. Snure&#8217;s comments  for bringing me into  a better balance.  But there are many sides to the story.   I also know of businesses that have been hurt because of the parade and the road closures.  People who could not get to hair salons,  doctor appointments, the grocery store, and others.   I know of a family that had a wedding planned and their 150 guests were greatly delay.   I&#8217;m happy the Dog House sold a couple of hundred extra hot dogs (yes I eat there on occasion) but that is not  going to pay the city bills. </p>
<p>The people who support this event are great, no fantastic persons.  I just wish in these hard times they would focus their efforts on ideas or events that would not put a strain on city services.  Perhaps a youth circus, a big event at the old Masonic Home, the now mostly vacant Land Mark maybe a combined antique show, flower show, art show and wine tasting?  How about a hot rod show at Highline College on a weekend.  All these things and more could be done with very little expense to the city or draw on city services.   There are many alternatives to a parade.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Prosser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Prosser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 03:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Waterland Parade is a part of Seafair. It bring recognition to the City of Des Moines. 

It brings revenue to local business owners: Ask the Dog House how many hotdogs she sold. How many cupcakes will be sold if the parade happens? How many people went to Corky&#039;s for the grape stomping? How many people walked into the local businesses? The amount of economic activity produced from last years parade has an exponential value. That means that the money is spent in Des Moines stays in Des Moines and produces more tax revenue.

If the Parade is privately funded, how nice will it be for our Des Moines Police Department to be paid overtime from NON-TAX FUNDS. Imagine if we can find a company willing to donate the funds to cover an officer for the parade. 

I run a local business that is already donating time and funds to the project. My business is more than doubling our commitment. I believe in creating and adding to my community, not taking from it. 

Again, we are not necessarily asking for the city to fund the Parade. We are asking if the city wants a parade and to what conditions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Waterland Parade is a part of Seafair. It bring recognition to the City of Des Moines. </p>
<p>It brings revenue to local business owners: Ask the Dog House how many hotdogs she sold. How many cupcakes will be sold if the parade happens? How many people went to Corky&#8217;s for the grape stomping? How many people walked into the local businesses? The amount of economic activity produced from last years parade has an exponential value. That means that the money is spent in Des Moines stays in Des Moines and produces more tax revenue.</p>
<p>If the Parade is privately funded, how nice will it be for our Des Moines Police Department to be paid overtime from NON-TAX FUNDS. Imagine if we can find a company willing to donate the funds to cover an officer for the parade. </p>
<p>I run a local business that is already donating time and funds to the project. My business is more than doubling our commitment. I believe in creating and adding to my community, not taking from it. </p>
<p>Again, we are not necessarily asking for the city to fund the Parade. We are asking if the city wants a parade and to what conditions.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Average</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Average</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 21:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have lived in Des Moines for many years and I too have enjoyed the Waterland parades and fireworks shows.  I don&#039;t discount the many fond memories and good times they helped create.  I also credit the the generous and hard work of people including Brenda and Brian  for volunteering to help bring about these types of community events.   Sadly we are living in very difficult and different times and changes need to occur.

Many of us also enjoyed the Ivars fireworks display.  It went away.  It did so not because they were tired of making smiles and fond memories.  It did so because it was a business decision based on economics.   And the City of Des Moines needs to start acting like a business.   I am sorry Brenda and Brian but  the cost of putting on the parade will never be fully covered  by volunteers and donations.  The climate just isn&#039;t right for it, people and businesses are hurting .  Local governments, especially ours are hurting.

The City needs to focus its efforts and funds on those projects that will bring about the economic revitalization to put us in a position where we can afford to have these type of events and then I would be right out in front saying bring on the parade.  Lets get the downtown water main project finished so developers can come in and make us the jewel we should be.  Maybe revenues would start to &quot;flow.&quot;

Though they won&#039;t even whisper out loud, the city isn&#039;t that far from bankruptcy.  Its cash reserves and balances are dangerously low.  Its bond rating were so bad it had to back out of the SCORE jail project as a owner city so it did not drag down the ratings of its partnering cities.  That is on a project being built right here in our own town.  Yes, the city is still involved with the project, just at a different level.  Kind of sad.  So yep, parades and carnivals are fun but this just isn&#039;t the time.    But on second thought, maybe Kent could give us a loan?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have lived in Des Moines for many years and I too have enjoyed the Waterland parades and fireworks shows.  I don&#8217;t discount the many fond memories and good times they helped create.  I also credit the the generous and hard work of people including Brenda and Brian  for volunteering to help bring about these types of community events.   Sadly we are living in very difficult and different times and changes need to occur.</p>
<p>Many of us also enjoyed the Ivars fireworks display.  It went away.  It did so not because they were tired of making smiles and fond memories.  It did so because it was a business decision based on economics.   And the City of Des Moines needs to start acting like a business.   I am sorry Brenda and Brian but  the cost of putting on the parade will never be fully covered  by volunteers and donations.  The climate just isn&#8217;t right for it, people and businesses are hurting .  Local governments, especially ours are hurting.</p>
<p>The City needs to focus its efforts and funds on those projects that will bring about the economic revitalization to put us in a position where we can afford to have these type of events and then I would be right out in front saying bring on the parade.  Lets get the downtown water main project finished so developers can come in and make us the jewel we should be.  Maybe revenues would start to &#8220;flow.&#8221;</p>
<p>Though they won&#8217;t even whisper out loud, the city isn&#8217;t that far from bankruptcy.  Its cash reserves and balances are dangerously low.  Its bond rating were so bad it had to back out of the SCORE jail project as a owner city so it did not drag down the ratings of its partnering cities.  That is on a project being built right here in our own town.  Yes, the city is still involved with the project, just at a different level.  Kind of sad.  So yep, parades and carnivals are fun but this just isn&#8217;t the time.    But on second thought, maybe Kent could give us a loan?</p>
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		<title>By: Brenda Anders</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brenda Anders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 18:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, that was a bit much  probably would have not included the last part if I would have waited unitl the next morning to send…Note to self:  No blogging after 10pm and install 12 hour delay on keyboard send switch…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, that was a bit much  probably would have not included the last part if I would have waited unitl the next morning to send…Note to self:  No blogging after 10pm and install 12 hour delay on keyboard send switch…</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Snure</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Snure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 18:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So this thread is not making me particularly proud of living and working in Des Moines.  Maybe this post will help restart the meaningful discussion Brenda was looking for when she first posted her article, then again, maybe it wont.

I have, more or less, lived my entire life in Des Moines. I am one of those civic minded Des Moinians that supports continuing the Parade.  For that matter I support bringing back the Waterland Festival in all of its glory with a carnival, live music, beer garden, arts and crafts show etc. etc. 

I also support having the City provide support services on an in kind basis if the revenues from the festival/parade do not cover all of the costs. Why, you might ask, would a local business owner and resident, i.e. a frequent taxpayer, support such frivolous events when my hard earned tax dollars might be on the line? Well, since you asked, here are my top ten reasons this community needs a parade and a Waterland festival.

1.	I grew up in Des Moines and remember the childhood excitement every summer when the carnival and parade came to town. 
2.	I remember a different kind of excitement that came with being a teenager free to roam with my friends at Waterland time….
3.	I would like my kids and the other kids of Des Moines to have a chance to experience the same excitement (well okay maybe my kids can skip the teenage excitement…)
4.	These events provide an opportunity for local civic minded organizations to raise awareness and raise money to support the unmet needs of the community. The Des Moines Rotary club, as only one example, raised on average $7,000- $8,000 every year at its hole in one contest.  Take a look at the wine festival page at DMRotary.org if you want to see why these funds are important to our community.
5.	Perhaps the benefits generated by such events, visitors to Des Moines, funds raised by local civic groups, the opportunity to showcase local businesses, etc. actually provide an overall economic benefit to the City.
6.	These events provide the entire community with the opportunity to get out and celebrate the good life in Des Moines.
7.	I like beer gardens.
8.	Speaking with my head deeply buried in a bucket of Waterland, based on the history of Waterland of days gone by, with the right volunteers, commitments and revenues that could be generated by a carnival/parade I think our City could survive the financial impact of the events without being forced to rename ourselves the Port of Kent.
9.	The benefits of community events can&#039;t be measured only in dollars and cents.
10.	Parades and Carnivals are fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So this thread is not making me particularly proud of living and working in Des Moines.  Maybe this post will help restart the meaningful discussion Brenda was looking for when she first posted her article, then again, maybe it wont.</p>
<p>I have, more or less, lived my entire life in Des Moines. I am one of those civic minded Des Moinians that supports continuing the Parade.  For that matter I support bringing back the Waterland Festival in all of its glory with a carnival, live music, beer garden, arts and crafts show etc. etc. </p>
<p>I also support having the City provide support services on an in kind basis if the revenues from the festival/parade do not cover all of the costs. Why, you might ask, would a local business owner and resident, i.e. a frequent taxpayer, support such frivolous events when my hard earned tax dollars might be on the line? Well, since you asked, here are my top ten reasons this community needs a parade and a Waterland festival.</p>
<p>1.	I grew up in Des Moines and remember the childhood excitement every summer when the carnival and parade came to town.<br />
2.	I remember a different kind of excitement that came with being a teenager free to roam with my friends at Waterland time….<br />
3.	I would like my kids and the other kids of Des Moines to have a chance to experience the same excitement (well okay maybe my kids can skip the teenage excitement…)<br />
4.	These events provide an opportunity for local civic minded organizations to raise awareness and raise money to support the unmet needs of the community. The Des Moines Rotary club, as only one example, raised on average $7,000- $8,000 every year at its hole in one contest.  Take a look at the wine festival page at DMRotary.org if you want to see why these funds are important to our community.<br />
5.	Perhaps the benefits generated by such events, visitors to Des Moines, funds raised by local civic groups, the opportunity to showcase local businesses, etc. actually provide an overall economic benefit to the City.<br />
6.	These events provide the entire community with the opportunity to get out and celebrate the good life in Des Moines.<br />
7.	I like beer gardens.<br />
8.	Speaking with my head deeply buried in a bucket of Waterland, based on the history of Waterland of days gone by, with the right volunteers, commitments and revenues that could be generated by a carnival/parade I think our City could survive the financial impact of the events without being forced to rename ourselves the Port of Kent.<br />
9.	The benefits of community events can&#8217;t be measured only in dollars and cents.<br />
10.	Parades and Carnivals are fun.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 02:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tax the hookers, drug dealers, and pimps, and we will be able to have the biggest parade in the state!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tax the hookers, drug dealers, and pimps, and we will be able to have the biggest parade in the state!</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Average</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Average</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 13:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are name calling and we are the morons?   I think debate and discussion can be handled like adults.  People tend to resort to those tactics when they run out of argument. You might want to learn what blogging is all about.  Come out of your corner when you want to play nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are name calling and we are the morons?   I think debate and discussion can be handled like adults.  People tend to resort to those tactics when they run out of argument. You might want to learn what blogging is all about.  Come out of your corner when you want to play nice.</p>
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		<title>By: Brenda Anders</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brenda Anders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 07:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gang Fight?  Stabbing?  OMG!  Really?  That is where you go with this article?  It must be very scary for you to step outside your front door.  I feel very sorry for you!  Life is great; you should try living it instead of hiding, crying, playing the part of martyr.  Only cowards lead by trying to instill fear into people.  Anyone who uses this technique is a spineless coward.

I have the courage to post using my actual name...I have no respect for anyone who posts on the blog and doesn&#039;t have the balls to have a true public debate without hiding like cowards.  Anything you say means nothing!  

Mr. Fox, thank you for not being a coward and sharing your thoughts with the community.  That is what it is all about, sharing beliefs and convictions in a respectful and sometimes spirited way.  

As far as the rest of you who cast stones while hiding in the dark shadows of our city, you are the problem.  Grow up, grow a pair, and let’s debate; quit being cowards.  

Who knows this town might begin to move forward if all of the cowards would quit using fear and anonymity as their weapons of choice.  

What a bunch of morons.
noun 
1. a person who is notably stupid or lacking in good judgment. 
2. Psychology. a person of borderline intelligence in a former classification of mental retardation, having an intelligence quotient of 50 to 69.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gang Fight?  Stabbing?  OMG!  Really?  That is where you go with this article?  It must be very scary for you to step outside your front door.  I feel very sorry for you!  Life is great; you should try living it instead of hiding, crying, playing the part of martyr.  Only cowards lead by trying to instill fear into people.  Anyone who uses this technique is a spineless coward.</p>
<p>I have the courage to post using my actual name&#8230;I have no respect for anyone who posts on the blog and doesn&#8217;t have the balls to have a true public debate without hiding like cowards.  Anything you say means nothing!  </p>
<p>Mr. Fox, thank you for not being a coward and sharing your thoughts with the community.  That is what it is all about, sharing beliefs and convictions in a respectful and sometimes spirited way.  </p>
<p>As far as the rest of you who cast stones while hiding in the dark shadows of our city, you are the problem.  Grow up, grow a pair, and let’s debate; quit being cowards.  </p>
<p>Who knows this town might begin to move forward if all of the cowards would quit using fear and anonymity as their weapons of choice.  </p>
<p>What a bunch of morons.<br />
noun<br />
1. a person who is notably stupid or lacking in good judgment.<br />
2. Psychology. a person of borderline intelligence in a former classification of mental retardation, having an intelligence quotient of 50 to 69.</p>
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		<title>By: dezmoinian</title>
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		<dc:creator>dezmoinian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 16:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many times do I have to say this... Our City Council has no business running a city.  Our mayor can&#039;t seem to grasp the fact that tax dollars are not something made available for his personal spending pleasure. I will never support a parade in this city. Even with private funding, I can guarantee a cost to our police department when a gang fight or stabbing takes place in the crowd.  Anyone who thinks we have something to celebrate is out of their mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many times do I have to say this&#8230; Our City Council has no business running a city.  Our mayor can&#8217;t seem to grasp the fact that tax dollars are not something made available for his personal spending pleasure. I will never support a parade in this city. Even with private funding, I can guarantee a cost to our police department when a gang fight or stabbing takes place in the crowd.  Anyone who thinks we have something to celebrate is out of their mind.</p>
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